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FYI: re OUR CONVERSATION ON 9/21/15 . I just
wanted to provide you with some reading material and legal statutes (&
related links) re aspects of freedom of speech. I thought you overly-simplified
the matter too much in favor of the 7-eleven clerk & accomplice in terms of
what the law allows, or forbids. Clearly, there are certain EXCEPTIONS to
“freedom of speech” and the 1st Amendment. I think you KNOW this but
for some reason chose to overly-simplify the matter totally in favor of the
7-eleven clerk.
Even when I said the words “emotional distress” you objected and seemed to try to suggest that there was no such law whatsoever against “intentional infliction of emotional distress” . I beg to differ and have provided some reading material for you below. Sure, these may be matters governed by a civil court more so than a criminal court, but that does not make them any less “against the law.”
Even when I said the words “emotional distress” you objected and seemed to try to suggest that there was no such law whatsoever against “intentional infliction of emotional distress” . I beg to differ and have provided some reading material for you below. Sure, these may be matters governed by a civil court more so than a criminal court, but that does not make them any less “against the law.”
To repeatedly emphasize the absolute 100% “legal right” of a person to
use profanity and intimidating/abusive language towards a person seems to be
not only contrary to the various exceptions to “freedom of speech” but could be
an encouragement to such persons to continue to engage in what is clearly
contrary to all aspects of good, civil, citizenship about which there is no
argument.
I don’t know what agenda there may be by the Orange PD, or specific persons employed by the Orange PD, to repeatedly emphasize the possibility of “trespassing” charges against me while minimizing the abusive behavior of the clerk, but it is clearly an “agenda” more so than based on rule of law.
I have no long-term agenda to pursue this as a matter of “infliction of emotional distress”, nor did I have any pre-meditated agenda. But if it did go to court, it would be a matter decided by a judge and jury, not by a few police officers or detectives. Certainly, the detectives and police officers are entitled to their legal opinion, but ultimately it is a matter decided by the judicial process, not by the individual officers or detectives. I think you know that, but I have included the following reading material in case it is a matter of ignorance about the law:
I don’t know what agenda there may be by the Orange PD, or specific persons employed by the Orange PD, to repeatedly emphasize the possibility of “trespassing” charges against me while minimizing the abusive behavior of the clerk, but it is clearly an “agenda” more so than based on rule of law.
I have no long-term agenda to pursue this as a matter of “infliction of emotional distress”, nor did I have any pre-meditated agenda. But if it did go to court, it would be a matter decided by a judge and jury, not by a few police officers or detectives. Certainly, the detectives and police officers are entitled to their legal opinion, but ultimately it is a matter decided by the judicial process, not by the individual officers or detectives. I think you know that, but I have included the following reading material in case it is a matter of ignorance about the law:
‘Certain categories of speech are
not entitled to First Amendment protection, including fighting words, true
threats and incitement to imminent lawless action. If a person engages in
profane fighting words or utters a true threat with profanity, those words may
not be protected speech….” http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/remember-profanity-isnt-always-protected-speech
re “FIGHTING WORDS”
“What does it mean for words to be
"inherently like to provoke an immediate violent
reaction"? It means that:
1.
The speaker said something reasonably likely to
provoke someone else to react violently, AND
2.
When s/he made the statement, there was a clear
and present danger that the other person would immediately erupt into violence.It doesn't matter
whether the defendant intended to provoke a violent response from someone.” http://www.shouselaw.com/disturbing-peace.html#1.3
“This makes it difficult to prohibit catcalls and other types of
verbal street harassment. But the First
Amendment is intended to protect our rights in the context of political
discourse and democratic debate. It doesn’t mean that we have the right to use profanity or
insult each other whenever we feel like it…” [emphasis added]
Lawmakers
can’t broadly prohibit speech, even when it is insulting or offensive to some.
However, U.S. courts have ruled that the First Amendment does not protect
speech that is likely to incite violence because “fighting words” do not
contribute to democratic discourse and because society has a collective
interest in reducing violence.
As such, words or language that would incite a reasonable person to react violently may be legally prohibited. Many of the verbal harassment laws included in this guide either refer specifically to fighting words or prohibit taunts, insults, or other language that is likely to incite a violent reaction. Fighting words are typically prohibited by disorderly conduct, disturbance of the peace, and harassment laws.”
Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress—“Outrageous Conduct” Defined
California Civil Jury Instructions (CACI): 1602.
“Outrageous conduct”
is
conduct
conduct
so extreme that it
goes
beyond all
beyond all
possible bounds of
decency.
decency.
Conduct is
outrageous if
a
a
reasonable person
would
regard the
regard the
conduct
as intolerable in a
civilized
as intolerable in a
civilized
community....
Outrageous conduct does not
include trivialities such as indignities,
annoyances, hurt feelings, or bad
manners that a reasonable person is expected
to endure.
In deciding whether [name of
defendant]’s conduct was outrageous, you may consider, among other factors,
the following: (a) Whether [name of defendant] abused a position of
authority or a relationship that gave [him/her] real or apparent power to
affect [name of plaintiff]’s interests;(b) Whether [name of defendant]
knew that [name of plaintiff] was particularly vulnerable to emotional
distress; and(c) Whether [name of defendant] knew that [his/her] conduct
would likely result in harm due to mental distress. [ALBEIT there is also
“negligent infliction of emotional distress” which does not require a defendant
to have “known” in a premediated manner that it might cause emotional distress,
see http://www.west.net/~smith/distress.htm
]
… “Conduct to be
outrageous must be so extreme as to exceed all bounds of that usually tolerated
in a civilized community.” (Davidson v. City of Westminster (1982)
32 Cal.3d 197, 209 [185 Cal.Rptr. 252, 649 P.2d 894].) “[L]iability ‘does not
extend to mere insults, indignities, threats, annoyances, petty oppressions, or
other trivialities… There is no occasion for the law to intervene . . . where
someone’s feelings are hurt.’ ” (Agarwal v. Johnson (1979) 25
Cal.3d 932, 946 [160 Cal.Rptr. 141, 603 P.2d 58], quoting Rest.2d Torts, § 46,
com. d, overruled on other grounds in White v. Ultramar, Inc. (1999)
21 Cal.4th 563, 579—580 [88 Cal.Rptr.2d 19, 981 P.2d 944].) “ ‘Behavior may be
considered outrageous if a defendant (1) abuses a relation or position that
gives him power to damage the plaintiff’s interests; (2) knows the plaintiff is
susceptible to injuries through mental distress; or (3) acts intentionally or
unreasonably with the recognition that the acts are likely to result in illness
through mental distress… , SEE https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/docs/caci/1600/1602.html
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